*This post has been updated to include Kerri’s response to Hannah Wells*
“Pastor” Amanda Wells and her daughter Hannah Wells
Hannah Wells was alerted to Wells’ plagiarism IN HER BOOKS by a group of Concerned Christians on January 10th, 2017 with the following message:
Dear Hannah Wells,
For some time a group of concerned Christians have been following the movements of Amanda Wells, a woman from Australia who claims she has been “ordained” in at least three churches and that she is a “prophet” of God.
Amanda first came to our watch list when we received information that certain material she was presenting as her own work had been plagiarised from other sites on the Internet. Further intense investigation found a plethora of such plagiarized material, and we began to view this matter more seriously.
In 2015 the discernment website Churchwatch Central attempted to draw attention to Wells’ illegal activity by promoting a game called “Culprit in the Pulpit” which encouraged Christians to be more discerning when accepting the claims of people who claim to be prophets. Every person who claimed to be a prophet and who were a part of the Elijah List with Wells was personally notified and led to examples of plagiarism. Some of the people from whom she had plagiarised even appeared on that list of her own colleagues! The warning was ignored. Wells herself chose to deal with the issue by using social media to insult and abuse those who began to ask questions.
Here is a timeline of events that has been documented:
In 2016 at the time of the Australian Prophetic Summit, every member of the Elijah list was once again notified that despite her being exposed as a plagiarist the previous year, Wells had continued to steal other’s material and sell it and present it as her own during the intervening 12 month period.
By this time, Wells had attracted attention from other areas including a Christian Radio station:
Despite the fact that the Elijah List did not have the courtesy to respond to warnings, it was noted that all Wells’ “prophecies” were suddenly removed from the site. Likewise, the Senior Pastor of her church, (Glory City Church), one Katherine Ruonala, took action, and according to Wells’ own website (wellsministries.com) Wells had removed herself from her activities in the Glory City Church for a certain time in order to receive counseling regarding the matter.
Despite assurances from those enabling Wells, further material began to emerge, and in recent weeks we have become aware that books which Wells claimed to have written also contained plagiarized material.
Currently we are investigating her other books and looking for more plagiarised material. We have every reason to believe that there are yet more examples to be discovered, and we will continue our attempts to expose this theft of intellectual property. If she has sold her books at your church, or if you have purchased her books, then you have enabled a plagiarist. We are taking this opportunity to request that you, as Amanda Wells’ friend, call her out on her sins as she’s engaging in illegal activities and will reflect poorly on your church and all who are affiliated with her.
Since we have video evidence of Wells selling these products from pulpits and platforms at church meetings in countries spread across the world, we will continue to advise all parties involved to cease and desist immediately in any further promotion of these products.
We are notifying all the publishing companies that have published her books and all the companies that sell her books, as well as all the churches that promote her because when she goes to a church to speak she sells her plagiarized materials there.
If you have questions or concerns of the content of this letter please message us here on Facebook or email us at email@example.com
We received several responses since sending the message on January 10th 2017 warning others about Amanda Wells’ plagiarism, but we felt one in particular stood out. We publish it here, it requires no further comment.
Having now seen this response from you, I can only say it is disappointing in the extreme but sadly a reflection, in my view, of many other problems which you have now chosen to make public. In light of this, dare I say, unseemly outburst, you appear to have decided to react similarly to the way your mother has in the past when called out for her plagiarism and false stories, using threats and bullying language towards Christian groups which were concerned about the ramifications her behaviour could have on the entire Christian community.
It is apparent from this exchange between yourself and another person/persons, that for some reason you are under the mistaken impression that I am, or I am connected to, the User Name “Fergusson MacRay”. I am NOT Fergusson MacRay, I do not post under that name, nor do I know who does and suggest to you Hannah that jumping to conclusions is a very dangerous practice and has potential to land one into difficulties. It is somewhat due to jumping to conclusions and not checking facts that has led to your mother to finding herself in circumstances that have now caused so much concern and disruption for so many people. I can only caution you, which your mother should be doing, to NOT jump to conclusions without thoroughly checking your information first. Assuming anything is always fraught with possible dire consequences.
If the similarity of the name of the User “Fergusson MacRay” has led you to jump to an incorrect assumption I am not in any way related to whomever owns that name, I can only suggest that you check the spelling which is not the same as my family surname.
However, you chose, it seems, to assume that I was, or am, responsible for a message sent out by a group of Christians which has been following the activities of your mother for quite some time from what I can see by carefully reading the available material and which rightly claims your mother is a false prophet and plagiarist. According to available information this group called your mother out on this issue some time ago but instead of properly apologising for stealing other people’s intellectual property , taking money for material that was not hers, and accepting praise and accolades from others for work that was not hers, she chose instead to resort to name calling and threats. This is the hallmark of a bully which is not unfamiliar to me through my past experiences with her. Be that as it may, it was a most unbecoming way for anyone to behave when attention was drawn to unacceptable behaviour but for a person using the title of “Pastor” and the Christian church to give herself credibility it is nothing short of contemptible.
The information given to me coupled with my own investigations has now revealed that the message from the Christian group was sent to all people on a list made up of people on Facebook Friend’s lists and from other places where your mother has been shown to have connections through her activities which are apparently quite prolific on social media. It also appears from information available on church discernment sites that even after that group drew your mother’s attention back in 2015 to the fact that what she was doing was not only unethical but warranted public repentance and restitution to those from whom she had stolen intellectual property, it appears your mother not only abused and threatened and made a mockery of the rebuke but within a matter of weeks once again appeared to have reverted to the same behaviour of stealing and posting other’s work as her own.
If your name appeared on the list this group worked from therefore, it would be, I am told, because you were on the list of your mother’s FB friends and for no other reason. The same applies to any other person whose name appeared on the list. However, Hannah, unfortunately now that you have responded to this group in such a disgraceful manner I’m afraid you have now drawn unfavourable attention to your own unseemly behaviour.
All that being said, we now have the issue before me which suggests that your rant was actually directed at me personally and not the group of concerned Christians who wrote the original message.
Hannah, is it never a prudent idea to poke a sleeping bear!
I have done everything possible in the past to bring your mother’s attention to her unacceptable and unchristian behaviour. I have done it in exactly the way the Bible instructs in this area to the best of my ability and on more than one occasion.
Matt 18:15-17 15 “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
I have spoken to her by telephone (of course she will tell you that never happened as she has since tried to deny two phone conversations but that would be unwise to continue doing as there is a witness to those calls) and I have written to her. When still she failed to listen I even made an attempt to take another and to face her with what her behaviour was causing. On that occasion she behaved in the most despicable fashion mocking me and our parents from the stage as she delivered her talk for the night. None of her behavior was anything resembling that of a “Pastor”, Hannah and certainly not that of a Christian woman who spends her days preaching to and continually exhorting others to be kind and courteous. I had never brought her to task publicly and never connected myself to her in any way. Who, in fact, would wish to be connected to such behaviour! I had no desire to be a part of this madness she has created.
But your mother several times dropped her maiden name in her posts and in churches over time and thanks to her doing that I could no longer remain disconnected to her. So you might direct some of your pent up anger towards her for that imprudent behaviour.
Now to address your disgraceful and unprovoked attack on me though I do find it unsavoury to find myself in a position of having to dignify such an unladylike outburst.
You had no right whatsoever to address me in the way you did given that it was not I who had sent you the message in the first place. But I assume you will no doubt apologise now to that group and to me for your error.
You have no business addressing anyone in the manner in which did regardless of your feelings. No matter how you might think such language is common place amongst your friends there are still those of us left who do not think it appropriate or acceptable. The use of such language is a window to one’s character, Hannah, and I am very concerned that this is the way you think it is acceptable to speak to others regardless of whatever the circumstances are at any time. There is a way to conduct yourself as young woman if you wish to be respected and this is not the way. Your grandparents would have been thoroughly ashamed of knowing you use this kind of language …… grandparents who incidentally loved you dearly. They would most certainly have mentioned it to you and in their absence, since your mother doesn’t appear to be doing so I have no compunction about being the one to do it.
You should have been cognizant of not bringing any more trouble upon your mother than she had to deal with already and it was very unthinking of you to give her critics even more ammunition. This is hardly the sort of behaviour that would edify her claim to be a leader in the Christian church. The Bible is clear on what we should look for in our leaders and that includes the way they conduct their family lives etc.
Threats of going to lawyers Hannah, are just infantile and empty and show you have no understanding of the law whatsoever. Nothing has been done to you or your family from what I can read or see that has been anything which has breached any law other than your mother’s plagiarism and claim to credentials she does not have. Of course any lawyer whom you did wish to consult may be told fanciful lies in order to gain his/her sympathy but you should be mindful that the court system does not operate like social media and judges do not operate like spatting schoolgirls. There is a standard of proof required once on the legal playing field and your mother has so far not shown that her credibility is to be relied upon. Threatening law suits is childish and ridiculous given the events which have unfolded Hannah, and I caution you that from what I can see of the events that have unfolded the way in which they have, there maybe those who might welcome getting this matter into a court of law in order to expose material they have in the public arena. But exercising wisdom is not apparently your strong point given this disgraceful attack directed at me when I had nothing whatsoever to do with the message you received!
No Hannah, I do not hate my life and wonder at your reasoning abilities to have made such a statement. Again this is a case of assuming facts for which there is no evidence. Such a spiteful off-the-cuff accusation is not edifying to you, Hannah and is just another hint as to immature thought processes.
Now this next charge was the most imprudent and lacking careful thought that you could possibly have made. Hannah, your lack of understanding of the facts is revealed in this statement. I have not destroyed nor have I intended to destroy anyone’s life. If you have evidence that I have destroyed someone’s life then please present it openly and not by making such serious clandestine charges ……………..
You might stop to consider that it is your mother’s lies and her stealing of intellectual property and her dragging other innocent people and family members into her dishonesty that has been the cause of any consequences she might or might not be suffering at this point. How dare you try to blame others for her abysmal behaviour! “When one chooses the behaviour one choose the consequences” and your mother is solely responsible for any dishonesty or poor behaviour on her part having now been exposed. Is it your contention that people should be left alone to behave however they please regardless of the damage they may be causing or whom they be hurting and their victims should just be quiet and accept it?
How could I possibly be destroying your mother’s life Hannah? Little if anything of that which she talks about is actually her life! Am I guilty of contributing to the destruction of a fantasy? I have no idea whether I have contributed anything to the destruction of a fantasy or not but if you think I did I would assume you should be pleased to learn the truth.
You see Hannah, many of the people who listen to your mother speak in churches have been damaged and hurt by being fed a pack of lies in the name of God. You ought to be far more concerned with the spiritual health of those folk than any fairy tale life your mother has concocted in order to fleece these people of their money. Shame on you. Loyalty is a fine quality but only if what you are defending is truth and uprightness…. defending poor behaviour is very much misplaced loyalty. And defending anyone with the use of forceful foul language is never acceptable.
Just saying something does not make it true and this it would seem me is the fundamental problem which us facing your mother to this point in time. I have had nothing to do with sending anything to your “partner” and certainly have no interest in “stalking” him or anyone else. Threatening people, as I said, is just a form of bullying.
Your statement that “you don’t even go to church” is somewhat immaterial and irrelevant given the circumstances. Do all the people who were messaged from a FB page go to church? I’m unsure as to why you used such an excuse to distance yourself from your mother’s behaviour.
Whether you go to church or not is your own choice, but whether one condones unlawful and inappropriate behaviour has nothing to do with whether one attends church or not. And this applies equally to all the family members of these false prophets who remain silent tacitly condoning this abhorrent behaviour.
But Hannah here is the GOOD NEWS:
Nothing anyone has ever done, Hannah, is beyond God’s ability and His will to forgive. Even those claiming to speak for God and leading others astray by performing cold readings in church, turning His house into a sale room by selling “products” and making false claims instead of preaching His precious word of repentance, forgiveness and salvation will receive this precious forgiveness if they repent.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
.Having repented of our sins we are expected to bear fruit in keeping with that repentance.
Matthew 3: 8 ESV Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
God is loving and kind and quick to forgive but if we continue to stubbornly persist in our sinful ways we are in danger of our having our hearts hardened by God himself and this is a state in which no man would ever want to find himself.
Proverbs 28: 13-14 ESV Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy. Blessed is the one who fears the Lord always, but whoever hardens his heart will fall into calamity.
Hebrews 10: 26 ESV For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
James 4: 17 E SV So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
Exodus 20:16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.”
Hannah you know nothing of me – I have never seen you or met you in my life. What you clearly have been told of me having read some of your mother’s posts and heard her sermons is totally false and I would think it prudent of you to address that fact than to continue defending your mother’s lies and exaggerations. However that is your choice. Nevertheless to stand by and allow her to write and speak of lies regarding your loving grandparents is just not acceptable to me and I will not remain quiet over that. Nor will I stay silent while my own life and achievements are denigrated and falsified by anyone else for any reason.
If you wish to speak with me face-face-face I am only too happy to do so then you can make your own judgments based on facts and evidence and not on the fanciful stories of those who have some other agenda. I can only assume you have not read the evidence l have posted refuting the lies that have been told regarding me, your own grandparents, ancestors and others. If you have done so and yet still choose to defend lies rather than the truth then your motivation is your own business. And I can be of no further help to you.
Psalm 86:15 – But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness.